Sonderegger von Oberegg AI

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Sonderegger von Oberegg AI

Beitrag von Cecilia » Do 22. Mär 2018, 23:07

Ergänzung und Zusammenfassung siehe unten.

From the 1889 marriage record of Albert Gottlieb Sonderegger (born 31 January, 1863), his parents were Johannes Ulrich Sonderegger and Anna Magdalena Rohner. Albert Gottlieb Sonderegger was born at Marbach in St. Gallen, but was living in Oberegg when he decided to marry. He married Louisa Ida Germann of Eppishausen-Erlen in Thurgau. She was born to Joseph Anton Germann and Maria Barbara Dudler (third wife to Joseph) 18 August, 1868 at Hauptwil-Gottshaus in Thurgau.

Anna Magdalena Rohner was described by her son Albert as, the last wife of his father, "Ulrich" (Johannes Ulrich). Ulrich was described as "one of about 30 children of his own father." Albert named his parents and said a few things about them to his children. The fourth daughter of Albert was my husband's grandmother who, with her sisters, prepared a partial family tree for their own children. This tree, and some notes with the tree, were based on what the children of Albert heard from their parents. Albert's children said that Albert's father died in 1886 and Ida's father died in either 1886 or 1887. I believe Albert's father died earlier than what his children remembered and he is, possibly, the Hans Ulrich Sonderegger of Balgach born in 1803, who died in 1884, and whose first wife was Anna Torgler. Albert told his children he had at least one brother named Jacob, and two sisters named Sophia and Lydia. He said a brother, Jacob?, became a cheese-maker and died in 1894. His sister Lydia died in 1904. I do not know if she ever married.

Albert told a gruesome story about the death of his father Ulrich Sonderegger. Albert said his father owned a factory, but did not say what was made in the factory. Ulrich was somewhat wealthy and some evenings like to dine and drink at a restaurant and walk home. One winter evening when Ulrich was in the restaurant, it began snowing heavily and grew very cold. Visibility was also very bad, as a result of the heavy snow. Albert's father, Ulrich walked home as he usually did, and fell and hit his head, or fell asleep, on railroad tracks. Ulrich was then hit by a train and killed.

Is this family familiar to anyone and can anyone tell me how many times Hans Ulrich Sonderegger was married and who the rest of his children were? Can anyone tell me if the story of the death of Ulrich Sonderegger is true? Did Ulrich Sonderegger die without a will? Were their lawsuits over the inheritances and the factory ownership or management? What did Ulrich Sonderegger's factory make?

What was the birth date and marriage date, and birth place and marriage place, of Anna Magdalena Rohner and who were her parents?

Any help filling in the gaps and extending the tree backward for these families is greatly appreciated.



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Re: Sonderegger von Oberegg AI

Beitrag von Wolf » Fr 23. Mär 2018, 01:19

Ergänzung und Zusammenfassung

Quelle: Heiratsregister B (Hauptwil TG)
Den 14. October 1889 sind gesetzlich durch die Ehe miteinander verbunden worden zu Marbach-St.Gallen
Sonderegger Albert, Bäcker von Oberegg AI, wohnhaft in Marbach, ledig, geboren in Marbach den 31. Januar 1863, Sohn des Johann Ulrich Sonderegger und der Anna Magdalena Rohner und
Germann Louisa Ida von Eppishausen-Erlen, wohnhaft in Hauptwil, ledig, geboren in Hauptwil den 19. August 1868, Tochter des Joseph Anton Germann und der Maria Barbara geb. Dudler.

Laut Taufregister Marbach wurde Albert Sonderegger gleichentags (31.01.1863) getauft. Als Wohnort der Eltern wird dort allerdings Rebstein angegeben (die katholischen Rebsteiner waren nach Marbach kirchgenössig).

Ergänzungen oder Bestätigungen zu den oben beschriebenen Umständen werden dankbar entgegen genommen.
Hier aber bitte nur Sonderegger von Oberegg diskutieren - zu Rohner von Rebstein existiert ein eigenes Thema.


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Sonderegger oo 1855 Rohner

Beitrag von Wolf » Sa 24. Mär 2018, 13:19

Quelle: Ehebuch kath. Marbach SG

06.08.1855
Sonderegger Johann Ulrich, ledig, geb 20.07.1825, "Kellen Schneiders", Steinhauer, von Oberegg, in Rebstein
Rohner Maria Magdalena, ledig, geb. 12.05.1831
Eltern Bräutigam: Joseph Sonderegger, von Oberegg, in Kellen (es gibt heute eine Kellenbergstr. in Oberegg) & Anna Maria Rohnerin.
Eltern der Braut: Sebastian Rohner, von und in Rebstein & Maria Magdalena Segmüller


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Nachkommen von Jakob Sonderegger (* um 1708)

Beitrag von Wolf » So 25. Mär 2018, 09:30

Der Taufeintrag von Jakob Sonderegger ist nicht eindeutig zu identifizieren, da zu ihm (um 1740) kein Heiratsregister existiert; der Name der Ehefrau ist den Taufeinträgen der Kinder entnommen.

Raymund Breu stellt mir diese Stammliste zur Verfügung:
Jakob Sonderegger (um 1708 - 1749)
oo um 1737
Maria Eugster (21.11.1711- ?)

Johannes Sonderegger (10.01.1740 - 29.01.1817)
oo 07.02.1774
Maria Barbara Enk (15.03.1744 - 16.03.1818)

Josef Sonderegger (13.11.1782 - 03.11.1859)
oo 21.01.1822
Anna Maria Rohner (28.10.1788 - 29.01.1849)

Johann Ulrich Soderegger (20.07.1825 - 08.10.1903)
oo 06.08.1855
Maria Magdalena Rohner (12.05.1831 - 05.04.1901)

Albert Sonderegger (31.01.1863 - ?)
oo 14.10.1889
Ida Germann (18.08.1868 - ?)
Hier gibt es also eine Diskrepanz zwischen den Angaben zum Sterbejahr von Johann Ulrich Sonderegger (*1825): laut Familienbuch Marbach (kath. Rebsteiner Familien) starb er am 08.10.1903 ("durch Tram überfahren"), laut Familienüberlieferung 1886. Allerdings ist auch die Vermutung, Alberts Vater sei der 1803 geborene Hans Ulrich Sonderegger von Balgach sehr unwahrscheinlich: dieser war Bürger von Balgach und reformiert, der 1825 geborene Johann Ulrich war (wie der Sohn Albert) von Oberegg und katholisch.

Eine komplette Nachkommenliste findet sich im Anhang.
Oberegg-Sonderegger-Jakob-um1708-Nachkommen.pdf

English summary:
There are several "possible" Jakob Sonderegger: there is no wedding register for the time period he would get married (giving his parents' names), his wife's name is taken from the children's baptismal entries. He will have been born around 1708.

Johann Ulrich Sonderegger (*1825) will be the ancestor in this line: citizen of Oberegg and catholic. Hans Ulrich Sonderegger (*1803) was citizen of Balgach and reformed - see Sonderegger von Balgach.

Johann Ulrich (*1825) died on 08.10.1903 and the Family Register noted "run over by tram" - which confirms family lore.
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The tram accident of 1903

Beitrag von Wolf » Do 19. Apr 2018, 18:46

The tram accident of 1903 is briefly reported in several local newspapers with identical text - here's one example:
Tagblatt-19031010-Sonderegger-1020019.jpg
Altstätten, October 10th (1903). Yesterday an elderly, hearing impaired man, named J.M.Sonderegger, has been run over by a tram and was killed.
So we know the accident happened in Altstätten. Being hearing impaired Johann Ulrich Sonderegger likely didn't hear the tram approaching nor any hooting or bell.
There is a minor discrepancy regarding the date (according to the church record he was killed on Oct. 8th (not 9th), also the initials ("J.M.") are not correct, as his name was Johann Ulrich.

The tram was the Strassenbahn Altstätten–Berneck, in operation since 1897. Here (scrolldown) a route description and many old photographs can be viewed.
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