Wehrli in Mülhausen/Mulhouse-Illzach

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Wehrli in Mülhausen/Mulhouse-Illzach

Beitrag von Wolf » Mi 12. Jan 2022, 16:00

Judith Wehrli von Mühlhausen (Elsass) heiratet (wo?) vor 1796 den Carl Josef Devit (+1806). Das Paar lässt 1796 einen Sohn in Felben (Kanton Thurgau) taufen, zwischen 1797 und 1800 drei Kinder in Ebnat (Kanton St.Gallen), sowie zwischen 1803 und 1806 drei weitere Kinder im Fraumünster in Zürich (das letzte posthum). 1809 lässt sie einen unehelichen Sohn taufen. Sie heiratet als Witwe am 11.10.1813 in Frenkendorf BL den Friedrich Müller von Basel (1788-1865) und verstirbt am 17.07.1846 in Basel; im Sterbeeintrag wird 1774 als Geburtsjahr angegeben.

Um die Familie in der Diskussion nicht auseinanderzureissen, wird sie unter Devit in Ebnat SG diskutiert. Fragen und weitere Informationen zu dieser Generation und den Nachkommen deswegen bitte hier diskutieren.

Gesucht werden das genaue Geburtsdatum und eine Bestätigung oder Korrektur des Geburtsortes ... und natürlich Angaben zu ihren Eltern und evtl. weiteren Vorfahren. Angaben zu Eltern und Vorfahren bitte HIER einstellen.


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Re: Wehrli in Mülhausen/Mulhouse-Illzach

Beitrag von Marglats » Fr 14. Jan 2022, 17:55

Hallo Wolf,,
Voici ce qu’a trouvé mon ami Albert à propos des enfants du couple.

Acte de mariage
Jean Ulric DEVIT
° 27.10. 1800 à Ebnat (Lucère)
09.08.1866 à Mulhouse (68) France
Age au mariage : 67 ans
Fils de Charles Joseph DEVIT et Judith WEHRLIN
OO
Catherine Elisabeth HOLZACH
15.04.1819 à Bäle (Suisse)
Age au mariage 47 ans
Fille de Jean Bernard HOLZACH et Marie Catherine HALLER
Acte N° 415
https://archives.haut-rhin.fr/ark:/naan ... 3aad60e2f6

acte de Naissance
Charles-Joseph DEVIT
° 17.10.1826 à Altkirch (68) France
Fils de Jean-Ulrich DEVIT et Françoise HECKLY
Acte N°71
https://archives.haut-rhin.fr/ark:/naan ... e2a6b7d868

acte de Décès
Johann Gaspar DEVIT
° à Ebnatt, St. Gallen Suisse
+ 13.02.1874 à Sennheim = Cernay (68) France
Age au décès : 75 ans
conjoint : Anna WOHLLEB
fils de Carl DEVIT et Judith WERLIN
acte N°15
https://archives.haut-rhin.fr/ark:/naan ... ba6ce99644

acte de Mariage
Le 29.03.1827 à Mulhouse (68) France
Jean STEFFAN
° 18.02.1768 à Mulhouse (68)
Age au mariage : 51 ans
Fils de Jean STEFFAN et Marie Madeleine SCHLAMBERGER
OO
Dorothé Judith DEVIT
° 23.05.1803 à Zurich (Suisse)
Age au mariage: 23 ans
Fille de Charles Joseph DEVIT et Judith WEHRLE
Impossible d’ouvrir le registre des mariages en ligne
TD https://archives.haut-rhin.fr/ark:/naan ... ba6ce99644
publications de mariage https://archives.haut-rhin.fr/ark:/naan ... 7d24502f26

Je continue à chercher la naissance et le mariage de Judith WEHRLIN
Amicalement
Gérard



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Re: Wehrli in Mülhausen/Mulhouse-Illzach

Beitrag von Wolf » Fr 14. Jan 2022, 19:44

Vielen Dank für Deine umfangreichen Angaben, Gérard!

Steht "(Lucère)" für Luzern (in diesem Fall den Kanton)? Dann wäre das ein Fehler im Kirchenbuch - Ebnat (heute Ebnat-Kappel) liegt im Kanton St.Gallen.

Beste Grüsse - Wolf


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Re: Wehrli in Mülhausen/Mulhouse-Illzach

Beitrag von jlb95 » So 7. Aug 2022, 18:18

I have recently been undertaking more work on Judith Wehrlin's background and I have decided to post an update with some findings, in case any interested parties discover this forum. Contrary to my earlier expectations, I have now discovered that the original church records for Mulhouse and Illzach are not held by the Haut-Rhin Archives, so will not form part of their digitisation programme. This is presumably because Mulhouse and Illzach only became part of France in 1798, previously being Swiss. They are held in the municipal archives at Mulhouse, but there are apparently no plans to make them available online, sadly.

I have noticed that indices for the pre-1798 marriage records are available for both communes on Geneanet. I contacted the individual who produced those indices, Sébastien Langlois-Berthelot, and he has been very helpful. He found only one Judith Wehrlin baptised in either parish around 1774 (the year her burial record said she was born): Judith Wehrlin was born on 23 October 1775 and baptised in Illzach on 29 October. Her parents were Johannes Wehrlin and Eva Eck (Archives municipales d'Illzach, GG 2, p. 150).

Her parents had married on 12 May 1773 at Mulhouse; when they married, her father was described as "Johannes Wehrlin, junior, of Illzach" and her mother was described as "spinster, from Mulhouse" (Archives municipales de Mulhouse, X A 10, p. 246).

The church records for Mulhouse and Illzach have all been indexed by Sébastian for the Cercle Genealogique de Mulhouse and are available in paper form across multiple volumes. They are quite expensive (€40 per volume, plus shipping), so I will defer purchasing the relevant volume for now, but I post a link here in case anyone else is interested: https://cgmulhouse.jimdofree.com/publications/notariat/

Without that, I cannot definitely push the genealogy back another generation, but I have spent quite a bit of time locating Judith Wehrlin's siblings using the indexed civil registration documents.

Jean Wehrlin and Eva Eck's children (so far identified) are as follows:
  • Elisse/Elizabeth Wehrlin (born c. 1774, Illzach; died 6 August 1805, Mullhouse) m. 21 July 1805 (Mulhouse) George Döll (b. 23 October 1771 "Obersese" in Prussia, son of Marc Döll and Marie Distteren) (I have not located his birthplace)
  • Judith Wehrlin (born 23 October 1775, Illzach; died 17 July 1846 in Basel) m. (1) allegedly August 1795 (Konstanz) Carl Joseph Devit (born reportedly 15 May 1752; died 25 May 1806 in Zurich) m (2) 11 October 1813 (Frenkendorf, Basel-County) Carl Friedrich Müller (son of Eucharius Müller)
  • Daniel Wehrlin (born 1 June 1778, Mulhouse) m. 18 May 1801 (Mulhouse) Anne Barbe Mercky (b. 15 March 1774 in Mulhouse, da. of Henry Mercky and Catherine Farconier)
  • Anne Catherine Wehrlin (born c. 1780, Mulhouse; died 2 May 1856, Mulhouse)
    m. 30 September 1805 (Mulhouse) Daniel Schuttheller (b. 1779 in "Schluchteren", son of Philip Conrad Schuttheller and Christine Elisabetha; d. 4 October 1847 in Mulhouse) (his birthplace was probably Schluchtern in Baden-Wurttemberg)
  • Jean Wehrlin (born c. 1782, Illzach; died 24 March 1854, Mulhouse)
  • Pierre Wehrlin (born 16 April 1790, Mulhouse; died 6 January 1837, Mulhouse) m. 27 May 1822 (Mulhouse) Barbe Hertzog (b. c. 1786 in Birr, Aargua, Switzerland, da. of Pierre Hertzog and Marie Frei)
  • Gertrude Wehrlin (born 30 July 1794, Mulhouse; died 28 November 1858 at Mulhouse) m. (1) 20 October 1824 (Colmar) François Xavier Gaspard Marteron (born 5 January 1790 at Colmar, son of Xavier Marteron and Catherine Kochler; died 29 March 184.? at Strasbourg) m. (2) 25 August 1851 (Mulhouse) Dominique Marck (born 1 June 1797 at Laidenback, son of Joseph Marck and Marie Anne Perbsten)
Eva Eck died on 30 November 1794. On 13 May 1798 at Mulhouse, Jean Wehrlin married Susanne Elisabeth Gasser, who was born 23 January 1774 at Botzingen in Baden-Wuerttemberg [correction]. She and Jean had at least two children:
  • Jean Jacques Wehrlin (born 29 April 1799, Mulhouse; died 26 June 1851, Mulhouse)
    m. 26 March 1821 (Mulhouse) Anne Marguerite Wüst (born c. 1795 in Biel, Bern, Switzerland, da. of Jean Wüst and Marie Herth)
  • Rosine Wehrlin (born c. 1804; died 3 April 1812, Mulhouse)
Jean Wehrlin died on 13 June 1819 at Mulhouse. Frustratingly, neither his 1798 marriage record nor his 1819 death record appear to mention his parents. Those records can be found here:
Of particular interest is the fact that one of the witnesses at the 1805 marriage of Elisse Wehrlin (Jean and Eva's daughter) was her uncle Pierre Wehrlin, "labereur age de quarant quatre ans oncle de l'Epouse". Though there is some disparity in the ages given, I am confident that the same man witnessed the marriage of Judith Wehrlin's son Jean Ulric Devit in Illzach on 14 June 1826. In that document he is listed as "Pierre Wehrlin Cultivateur agé de soizante douze[?] ans grand oncle de l'Epoux", along with two Wehrlin cousins. Crucially, Pierre's distinctive signature appears on both records. They can be seen here:
Finally, it is possible that Judith had another illegitimate child. The birth of one Jacques Wahrlin (son of one Judith Wahrlin) on 2 July 1812 was registered at Mulhouse. The image is here: https://archives.haut-rhin.fr/ark:/naan ... 0e3c03ec85 (see image no. 1046, the last entry on the left-hand page). I cannot read it all, but I think it mentions Basel. The child died the next day (3 July). The record is here: https://archives.haut-rhin.fr/ark:/naan ... 745eaf66ab (see image no. 137, the second entry on the left-hand side).

If anyone could read these records in full, I'd be interested to know what they say.



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Re: Wehrli in Mülhausen/Mulhouse-Illzach

Beitrag von Peter.D » Mo 8. Aug 2022, 16:40

but I think it mentions Basel.
No, the relevant word is not Bâle, but Mâle. The whole sentence is:
Le sexe de l'enfant a été reconnu etre mâle.
The birth of Jacques Wehrlin, illegitimate son of Judith Wehrlin, on July 2, 1812 in Mulhouse, was reported by the midwife and witnessed by two neighbors of Judith who were not related to her.
The father of Jacques is not mentioned, in line with the French Code Civil.

At that time Mulhouse was part of the Arrondissement of Altkirch, that's why the film of the civil records is based on the double of the court in Altkirch.

Peter



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Re: Wehrli in Mülhausen/Mulhouse-Illzach

Beitrag von jlb95 » Mo 8. Aug 2022, 19:03

Many thanks, Peter - that's really helpful. I imagine it will be impossible to 100% identify her with the Judith Wehrlin from my own family, but it is an interesting discovery.



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Re: Wehrli in Mülhausen/Mulhouse-Illzach

Beitrag von jlb95 » Sa 3. Sep 2022, 16:33

jlb95 hat geschrieben: So 7. Aug 2022, 18:18 Eva Eck died on 30 November 1794. On 13 May 1798 at Mulhouse, Jean Wehrlin married Susanne Elisabeth Gasser, who was born 23 January 1774 at Botzingen in Baden-Wuerttemberg. She and Jean had at least two children:
  • Jean Jacques Wehrlin (born 29 April 1799, Mulhouse; died 26 June 1851, Mulhouse)
    m. 26 March 1821 (Mulhouse) Anne Marguerite Wüst (born c. 1795 in Biel, Bern, Switzerland, da. of Jean Wüst and Marie Herth)
  • Rosine Wehrlin (born c. 1804; died 3 April 1812, Mulhouse)
A correction to my this part of my earlier post: Susanne Elisabeth Gasser was born in Botzingen, but not in Baden-Wuerttemburg; there is another place of that name, in Biel in the Canton of Bern, Switzerland. The record of her marriage with Jean Wehrlin in 1798 (cited above) gives her date of birth as 23 January 1774 in Botzingen, with her parents as Rudolf Gasser and Susanne Elisabeth Foster. This is matched with a record in the parish registers of Biel, as indexed on https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... milySearch.

A further update. With the help of M. Langlois-Berthelot, I have been able to push the family back another generation. The death record of Jean Wehrlin (d. 1819), suggests a date of birth of around 1752. There is a record of Johannes Wehrlin being baptised in Illzach on 8 August 1751, son of Johannes Wehrlin and Catharina Wehrlin (Archives municipales d'Illzach, GG 2, p. 62).

Hopefully this will be of help to anyone who might stumble across this page.



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