Hindermann von Basel BS

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Hindermann von Basel BS

Beitrag von Caitlin » So 18. Jul 2010, 05:21

Hi, I apologize deeply that I only speak English and I probably won't get a response but I was looking for information on my great-great grandfather Hans Franz Hindermann's parents.

I have what looks like his birth certificate reprinted 20 years after the fact for travel purposes. He was the Austro-Hungarian Consulate to New Orleans. I believe he was born in 1857 to Johann Hindermann and Elizabeth Hauser.

Here is a scan of that document...
10599-20100718-document.jpg
and I think this is a portrait of his mother or so I was always told.
10599-20100718-portrait.jpg
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Hindermann von Basel BS

Beitrag von Wolf » Mo 19. Jul 2010, 21:55

Original von Caitlin
Hi, I apologize deeply that I only speak English and I probably won't get a response .....
English is fine - I'll provide a German translation below.
Original von Caitlin
I have what looks like his birth certificate reprinted 20 years after the fact for travel purposes.
Not quite a birth certificate, but a Cetificate of Citizenship, giving indeed his date of birth and the names of his parents.

Now - how to continue?

He was a Swiss citizen after 1876 (when the new Civil Registry system was started), and although he may have lived abroad, was known to the Basel administration. So he should show up in the Civil Registry of the city of Basel. I recommend you contact this office - the Zivilstandsamt - and ask if your ancestor can be identified plus (if yes) what you are expected to do to get a Familienschein of his parents, possibly also his grandparents. Once you have more info, post it here for further advice.

What I can tell you from Familiennamenbuch is that Hindermann have been citizens of Basel since 1565.

The library of the Swiss Genealogical Society keeps a copy of pedigree tables of the Hindermann family, written up by Reifner and Bryner. I would not be surprised if the Staatsarchiv Basel also had a copy - which might be easier to get hold of: at least ask if they have got one, and would be willing to look for your ancestor, or tell you the time frame covered in these tables.


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Hindermann von Basel BS

Beitrag von Wolf » Mo 19. Jul 2010, 22:02

Gesucht werden Angaben zu Hans Franz Hindermann, * 16 April 1857 als Sohn von Johann Franz und Elisabeth (geb. Hauser) - siehe obiger Heimatschein. Er war Österreichisch-Ungarischer Konsul in New Orleans.

Laut Familiennamenbuch sind Hindermann seit 1565 Bürger der Stadt Basel.

Ich habe geraten:

1) Anfrage beim Zivilstandsamt Basel-Stadt betr. Familienschein.

2) Anfrage beim Staatsarchiv BS (allenfalls der SGFF-Bibliothek) nach den Stammtafeln Hindermann [von Basel] von E. Reifner und Eugen Bryner (Zürich 1950).

Oder hat jemand vielleicht Zugriff auf diese Stammtafeln?


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Hindermann von Basel BS

Beitrag von Caitlin » Mo 19. Jul 2010, 22:53

Thank you very much. That is helpful information and it sounds like it would not be difficult to track the Hindermann side another generation or two. He is buried in New Orleans with his wife's family, the Aldiges.



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Hindermann von Basel BS

Beitrag von webstube » So 16. Jan 2011, 18:58

Im Basler Adressbuch von 1862 existiert Hans Franz Hindermann (-Hauser) als Rentier an der Rosshofgasse 8

Hans Franz Hindermann geboren 4.1.1817, gestorben 1864

Eltern: Johann Jakob Hindermann und Katharina Elisabeth Bleyenstein (weitere mögliche Vorfahren in unserer Datenbank vorhanden)
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Re: Hindermann von Basel BS

Beitrag von Caitlin » Fr 13. Mai 2016, 19:55

I wanted to thank you guys so much I am horribly embarrassed that I hadn't followed up until now. I want to especially thank Wolf.

The Swiss National Library was wonderful about sending me the relevant pages and it even helped me identify an old picture as Johann Jakob Hindermann, my fourth great grandfather. The photo had a birth date on the back but no name but I was able to match the birth date! I also learned why my great grandmother had a sister named Salome and that my great grandmother's "Cher Tante Elise" was her father's (Hans Franz Hindermann's) older half-sister.

So, here is Johann Jakob and "Tante Elise" - her full name was Katharina Elisabeth and she married a man with the last name of Walser, if I am reading this page in the Hindermann book right.
10599-20160513-page19.pdf
And here is the page that helped me identify the photo of Johann Jacob!
10599-20160513-page16.pdf
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Re: Hindermann von Basel BS

Beitrag von Caitlin » Fr 13. Mai 2016, 20:12

And here is Elisabeth Hindermann-Hauser, second wife of Johann Franz, mother of Hans Franz, and my third great grandmother as an older lady, rather than young like she was in the portrait in my first post.
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Re: Hindermann von Basel BS

Beitrag von Caitlin » Fr 13. Mai 2016, 20:27

And I shouldn't leave out these pictures of Hans Franz Hindermann, my second great grandfather. The baby in the one where he is older is my grandfather.
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Emilie Hindermann

Beitrag von Caitlin » Fr 13. Mai 2016, 20:43

My second great grandfather, Hans Franz Hindermann, had a sister named Emilie who was born in Basel in 1861 and married a Peter Oswald there. She had one son, Pierre Oswald, who had three daughters.
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Emilie Hindermann (?)

Beitrag von Caitlin » Fr 13. Mai 2016, 20:44

And I am not positive but I think this picture might be Emilie as a child.
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