Stohler von Arboldswil BL

[Wolf]

What do all these symbols signify?

Das O mit - oder ~ steht vermutlich für das SterbedatumWhich year

in which year is this 12. Feb.? The symbol could be the one for Sunday - see here - would this 12. Feb. be a Sunday?

[JaneAusten7]

in which year is this 12. Feb.? The symbol could be the one for Sunday - see here - would this 12. Feb. be a Sunday?

It says 1895. Bummer, according to google was on a Tuesday.

I've tried hard to find a source that would help me read the family registers, but haven't found anything that is more than a few symbols. Am I overlooking a source?

[Walter]

There is a word next to Anna Schaefer's name that I don't understand. It looks like an "h" then "Sulbischburg?" But when I type this into the computer it doesn't recognize the place. Is that her place of birth?

Der Heimatort (nicht unbedingt Geburtsort) der Anna Schäfer war Seltisberg

[JaneAusten7]

Der Heimatort (nicht unbedingt der Geburtsort) der Anna Schäfer war Seltisberg

Wow! I was far off on that one!

Thank you for reminding me about Heimatort/Geburtsort. Sometimes I'm trying so hard to look at the paper that I have for Older German writing comparison that I forget about that.

[Walter]

! I was far off on that one!

Nicht ganz, eigentlich steht dort Selbisberg, eine alte Bezeichnung für Seltisberg, ich wollte dich aber nicht noch mehr verwirren.

[Wolf]

in which year is this 12. Feb.? The symbol could be the one for Sunday - see here - would this 12. Feb. be a Sunday?

It says 1895. Bummer, according to google was on a Tuesday.

Which is correct. I didn't check the full page (my mistake) - this symbol shows up all ober the place, so is unlikely indicating a given day of the week. As Walter suggested: it wil stand for either died or buried.

For guidelines to read these registers: I don't think there are any general ones - most writers will just have their own rules. If you are lucky there might be an explanation at the beginning of a book (I have seen that with a few "Bevölkerungsverzeichnisse" in canton Zürich) - but most often you will just have to find out yourself - or ask here .

[JaneAusten7]

For guidelines to read these registers: I don't think there are any general ones - most writers will just have their own rules. If you are lucky there might be an explanation at the beginning of a book (I have seen that with a few "Bevölkerungsverzeichnisse" in canton Zürich) - but most often you will just have to find out yourself - or ask here .

ah, that explains why I haven't found anything in my searches.

[JaneAusten7]

I just received an email from my Aunt that said that when my grandfather Stohler had pleurisy, most likely during the WWI era, that he spent time in a Tuberculosis Sanatorium. Did Basel have such a place or would he have been sent away to one nearby?

[Walter]

Did Basel have such a place or would he have been sent away to one nearby?

Basel baute um 1895 ein eigenes Sanatorium für Lungenerkrankungen in Davos.

[JaneAusten7]

Basel baute um 1895 ein eigenes Sanatorium für Lungenerkrankungen in Davos.

Oh wow! Thank you Walter.

[JaneAusten7]

Today I received this email from the Erbschaftsamt Basel-Stadt, regarding my great grandparents Rudolf Stohler-Kiefer and his wife Emma.

Anbei erhalten Sie die von Ihnen gewünschten Informationen.

Die gesetzlichen Erben sind jeweils im unteren Abschnitt des Dokumentes ausgewiesen.
Weitere Informationen konnten aus dem Archiv nicht entnommen werden.

Bei Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.

Freundliche Grüsse
Chiara Micchetti

Included was only the very first page of the Inventory. I was happy and a little disappointed too. I had hoped for the full record and this says there isn't any more. Do you think that it is unusual for them not to have everything?

[Peter.D]

The inheritance inventories always contained and still contain a complete list of all assets and liabilities of the deceased (Aktiven, Passiven, Bilanz), including those of the surviving spouse, signed by the responsible officials. In addition, a separate ruling on inheritance tax was always issued.

Ask the Erbschaftsamt whether they have destroyed (kassiert) these important parts for the period in question - or whether they simply can no longer find them.
Doesn't the only page say anything about the missing parts?

Peter

[JaneAusten7]

The inheritance inventories always contained and still contain a complete list of all assets and liabilities of the deceased
Ask the Erbschaftsamt whether they have destroyed (kassiert) these important parts for the period in question - or whether they simply can no longer find them.
Doesn't the only page say anything about the missing parts?

When I translated her email I was not sure if her message meant more pages didn't exist or? I'm glad I asked you guys. I thought perhaps it was a language subtlety that I was not picking up on.

I've attached the two pages I received (with my grandfather's address erased by me) in case when I translated them I missed something.

Also I have written back and asked them your question.

[Peter.D]

In both cases, an inventory of the deceased's assets was taken in the presence of the deceased's nephew, as legally required.

Weitere Informationen konnten aus dem Archiv nicht entnommen werden.

This sentence is not entirely clear. It does not explain why the Office only retrieved or could only retrieve the first page of the inventory.
Within the authority, there was also a separate section covering inheritance taxes. I don't know whether this section archived the missing documents itself.

Peter

[JaneAusten7]

In both cases, an inventory of the deceased's assets was taken in the presence of the deceased's nephew, as legally required.

Yes, and my Aunt remembers that "cousin Teddy" sent a big crate to my grandfather Dr. Rudolf Stohler after his parents died.

Weitere Informationen konnten aus dem Archiv nicht entnommen werden.

This sentence is not entirely clear. It does not explain why the Office only retrieved or could only retrieve the first page of the inventory.
Within the authority, there was also a separate section covering inheritance taxes. I don't know whether this section archived the missing documents itself.

I'll let you all know as soon as I hear back from the Erbschaftsamt. I really hope that they're not destroyed. I was planning to use the inventory list to determine what was in the big crate. So far, my aunts have only been able to identify 3 things they know for sure were from Switzerland; the china set, a rug and a chair. However, I'm sure if I was able to ask them about other items it would jog their memories.

[JaneAusten7]

I noticed on Inventar cover page that it mentions Rudolf Stohler (Sr.) and his wife Emma were in two different hospitals. Is there a specific meaning to the two?

[Peter.D]

No, at that time the two hospitals offered the same treatments overall. See also here.

Peter

[JaneAusten7]

No, at that time the two hospitals offered the same treatments overall. See also here.

Ah, that explains it. Thank you.

[JaneAusten7]

Die Familie Johannes Stohler (Müller) und Anna Schäfer (mit Sohn Jakob) findet man im Familienregister Arboldswil, PDF 152, Nr. 108.

I found this person when I was trying to find out more about Anna's father:https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Jakob_Sch%C3%A4fer But the dates don't fit her father nor her grandfather, so I think I'm completely off track here. However, one thing that I found interesting about the article is that he was described as apprenticing out to learn the trade of Miller. And that got me wondering... Is there some sort of record for apprenticeships? And where should I be looking to see what type of Mills were in the areas that my family lived? Thank you for your help.

[Walter]

Die Heirat von Johannes Stohler und Anna Schäfer war am 1. Februar 1813 in Reigoldswil (siehe Kirchenbücher Reigoldswil > Ehen 1766 - 1858 > PDF 27).
Anna Schäfer wird dort benannt als "des oberen Müllers allhier Tochter, von Seltisberg".

[JaneAusten7]

Wow! Thank you, Walter!!!

[Walter]

Anna Schäfer, die Ehefrau von Johannes Stohler, wurde am 28.08.1792 in Bubendorf getauft (Kirchenbücher Bubendorf, Taufen 1759-1795, PDF 163, rechte Seite ganz unten).

Diese Taufe wurde auch in Liestal notiert, Seltisberg gehört zu dieser Kirchgemeinde (Kirchenbücher Liestal, Taufen 1751-1825, Seite 342 ganz unten, PDF 172).

Ihre Eltern waren Jakob Schäfer (von Seltisberg) & Magdalena Stohler (von Bubendorf).

[JaneAusten7]

Wow! Thank you, Walter!!

How does a person know to look in more than one place for the records? If I had found the first one, I would not have known to look for another. Or will records like that always be in both places?

[Walter]

How does a person know to look in more than one place for the records? If I had found the first one, I would not have known to look for another. Or will records like that always be in both places?

Ich habe in Seltisberg (= Liestal) nach ihrer Taufe gesucht, ihr Heimatort sowie ihr Vater waren ja bekannt.
Dort (in Liestal) habe ich dann gelesen, dass der Eintrag laut einem Taufschein des Pfarrers von Bubendorf erfolgte.
Es war üblich, Taufen und Heiraten an den Heimatort (Bürgerort) zu melden, deshalb sollte man immer dort zuerst danach suchen.

[JaneAusten7]

Es war üblich, Taufen und Heiraten an den Heimatort (Bürgerort) zu melden, deshalb sollte man immer dort zuerst danach suchen.

Ah, thank you. I never understood before.

[JaneAusten7]

I've come across mentions of the Historical Dictionary of Switzerland https://hls-dhs-dss.ch/de/articles/013576/2010-09-20/ several times and was wondering how reliable the information is considered. For example, is it more like Wikipedia where you can find good information but must always verify it or is this more like the Encyclopedia Britannica where you're supposed to think of it as very authoritative well sourced information? I hope my question makes sense.

[JaneAusten7]

Ok, I just came across something while searching for photos of Bürgerspital Basel and the Felix Platter Spital in the year 1957 or close to it (I had only found either the modern photos or the one in 1849). My searching somehow came across this site: https://www.baslerstadtbuch.ch/stadtbuch/1957.html I'm not sure what it is that I have stumbled upon? When I first saw it I had hoped it would be a record of what happened in 1957, but the articles don't indicate that. Hope you can enlighten me.

[Peter.D]

My searching somehow came across this site: https://www.baslerstadtbuch.ch/stadtbuch/1957.html

The yearbook contains numerous articles of local interest that are independent of the respective year. At the end of each volume, however, there is a fairly detailed chronicle of the events of the previous year (download full book).

I've come across mentions of the Historical Dictionary of Switzerland https://hls-dhs-dss.ch/de/articles/013576/2010-09-20/ several times and was wondering how reliable the information is considered.

As a semi-governmental undertaking, the HLS is quite reliable. Of course there are errors here too, but the authors and sources are carefully selected. You can find some important background information here.

Peter

[JaneAusten7]

The yearbook contains numerous articles of local interest that are independent of the respective year. At the end of each volume, however, there is a fairly detailed chronicle of the events of the previous year (download full book).

Oh cool! I'll go back and do that!

Historical Dictionary of Switzerland

As a semi-governmental undertaking, the HLS is quite reliable. Of course there are errors here too, but the authors and sources are carefully selected. You can find some important background information here.

This is good to know. Thank you!

[JaneAusten7]

I feel very foolish for not noticing this before, but Google Translate also has a button for images: https://translate.google.com/?sl=de&tl=en&op=images.

I was trying to figure out the least "painful" way to translate the whole book of "The Stohler Family" by Walter Stohler (it only came in German) and I wondered what tools might help me. I first made a photo of the pages. Then I thought I would have to use Google Translate Text, line by line, copying and pasting the words. To my great surprise, I noticed that there was an "image" button this time! When I pasted the image into Google Translate Images I received a translated page that I could even download straight from Google Translate Images!

I'm sure everyone here has already figured this out, but since I didn't know about it, I wanted to mention it so others could use this great feature too!!!