Stohler von Arboldswil BL

[JaneAusten7]

I'll let you all know as soon as I hear back from the Erbschaftsamt. I really hope that they're not destroyed.

I wrote back to the Erbschaftsamt BS for clarification, as you advised me, on May 2, 2025 and still haven't heard back. I was wondering, is this a normal amount of time?

[JaneAusten7]

I'm hoping you can help me. I have searched high and low for a good representation of historically accurate "traditional clothing" for the Canton Basel (BL & BS) area. I find plenty of "traditional clothing for other Cantons in Switzerland, but not for the Canton Basel area. I know these are now usually only worn for special occasions, but I'd like a photo/illustration of both mens and womens "traditional clothing" for the family history book.

[Walter]

Hier findest du Infos und Bilder zu den diversen Basler Trachten, leider nur in deutscher Sprache.

[JaneAusten7]

Hier findest du Infos und Bilder

Thank you so much! I'm doing a genealogy "happy dance!"

[Peter.D]

Um 1900 und früher trugen die Leute natürlich nicht die meist erst im 20. Jh. geschaffenen, teilweise aufwändigen und teuren Trachten (traditional costumes), die vor allem folkloristischen Charakter haben. Die tatsächliche Bekleidung um 1900 ist am besten auf Fotos zu sehen: Leute auf der Mittleren Brücke, in der Aeschenvorstadt, in Bubendorf (etwas später) oder auf einem Bild um 1850 auf dem Basler Marktplatz.

Peter

[JaneAusten7]

Um 1900 und früher trugen die Leute natürlich nicht die meist erst im 20. Jh. geschaffenen, teilweise aufwändigen und teuren, die vor allem folkloristischen Charakter haben.

Ah, this makes sense to me. Thank you for the wonderful URL and examples that explains it. I will be able to put all of this information into my book, so that they will not be confused either.

[JaneAusten7]

My family has always been familiar with the fact that BS is a half Canton. And they've always wondered what that means. I was wanting to discuss in the family book an explanation for this.

I would guess, like the discussions that go on in America over the causes of the Civil War in the 1860s, there is a multifold and complex answer. For example, in America when someone asks what caused the Civil War, the quick and easy answer is, "slavery." And while true, it doesn't even begin to explain why and how it happened.

In 1833 the Canton Basel split into two halves. I would guess the "easy" answer is probably something like, "country vs city" differences? I don't think my family would be "satisfied" with an overly simplistic explanation. Neither do I think they would like an extremely detailed account of the situation. Do you know of a "medium" explanation source I could learn from?

[Wolf]

A summary (in German) would be https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basler_Kantonstrennung.

[JaneAusten7]

A summary (in German) would be

Wonderful. Thank you, Wolf!

[JaneAusten7]

I was wondering, from a genealogy standpoint, how did the 1833 Canton Basel split affect where archive records were kept? For example, did BS keep all the records before 1833 and then from that point forward they were split sort of thing or? I may not be asking this correctly; hopefully you will understand it.

Besides the violence and civil unrest which were horrific, it must have been a very hard time on my ancestors with all the changes in their lives. Do you know where I might find information on the personal side of the experience? Or is this an "in-person archive" type of record?

It looks as though my ancestors who lived through the violent change over were Jakob Stohler (Sr. born 1813) and his wife Anna Barbara Rudin (1813)
https://memory.bl.ch/familienforschung/ ... r%20Ziefen Then his parents, Johannes Stohler (1790) and wife Anna Schaefer (1792) and of course their children: viewtopic.php?t=34447&start=150

Thank you for your help.

[Peter.D]

Nicht nur die Bestände im Staatsarchiv, sondern alle staatlichen Vermögenswerte wurden ab 1833 auf die beiden Kantone aufgeteilt. Dazu wurde ein eidgenössisches Schiedsgericht unter der Leitung des Zürcher Professors Friedrich Ludwig Keller gebildet.
Akten im Staatsarchiv, die sich auf die Gebiete im heutigen Kanton Baselland bezogen, kamen dabei an die Landschaft, alle anderen, insbesondere die nicht trennbaren blieben bei der Stadt.
Zum Münsterschatz siehe hier.

Peter

[JaneAusten7]

Zum Münsterschatz siehe hier.

Oh how devastating! I noticed that BL sold much of their part, a few years later, all over the world. How sad the collection had to be broken up.

What a tumultuous time that had to be, on every level of life!

[JaneAusten7]

I'm having a hard time reading the Tote entry for Heinrich Stohler (18 May 1725-15 January 1805) https://memory.bl.ch/familienforschung/ ... r%20Ziefen I'm trying to verify I have the right person.

To me it looks like it says:

1 March 6 Arboldswil/15/Heinrich Stohler _?_ Arboldswil .06.95. _?_18?/
January, aetatin(?)

[griffy]

I'm having a hard time reading the Tote entry for Heinrich Stohler (18 May 1725-15 January 1805) https://memory.bl.ch/familienforschung/ ... r%20Ziefen I'm trying to verify I have the right person.

To me it looks like it says:

1 March 6 Arboldswil/15/Heinrich Stohler _?_ Arboldswil .06.95. _?_18?/
January, aetatin(?)

1 Mann v[on]. Arboltsw[il]. | 15t[en]. | Heinrich Stohler von Arboltswil ob[iit]. 15t[en]. s[epultus]. 18t[en] Januarii, aetatis ……… | 79 [Jahre], 7 [Monate], 27 [Tage]

[JaneAusten7]

1 Mann v[on]. Arboltsw[il]. | 15t[en]. | Heinrich Stohler von Arboltswil ob[iit]. 15t[en]. s[epultus]. 18t[en] Januarii, aetatis ……… | 79 [Jahre], 7 [Monate], 27 [Tage]

Thank you, griffy.

I'm not sure why but two words that Google Translate didn't translate were: sepultus and aetatis. Are these special Swiss words?

[griffy]

1 Mann v[on]. Arboltsw[il]. | 15t[en]. | Heinrich Stohler von Arboltswil ob[iit]. 15t[en]. s[epultus]. 18t[en] Januarii, aetatis ……… | 79 [Jahre], 7 [Monate], 27 [Tage]

Thank you, griffy.

I'm not sure why but two words that Google Translate didn't translate were: sepultus and aetatis. Are these special Swiss words?

Nope. Just plain … latin.

obiit = died
sepultus = buried
aetatis = of age

[JaneAusten7]

I didn't even think of Latin!

Thank you!

[JaneAusten7]

I was wondering, are Swiss passport records available or are they an in-person-only search? Thank you.

[JaneAusten7]

For some reason, even though I thought I had enough information to relocate the source of this attached document, I cannot. Does anyone recognize it?

[Walter]

For some reason, even though I thought I had enough information to relocate the source of this attached document, I cannot. Does anyone recognize it?

Es ist eine Seite aus: Historisch-Biographisches Lexikon der Schweiz
Es ist die Seite 561 aus dem Band 6 (VI)
Dieses Lexikon kann bei DigiBern heruntergeladen werden (Band 6: > Stegmann-Tenero)

[Peter.D]

I was wondering, are Swiss passport records available or are they an in-person-only search?

Die Reisepässe selbst blieben ja bei den Personen und gelangten nur in Ausnahmefälle zurück zu den Behörden. Viele Familien haben die Pässe über Generationen aufbewahrt.

Die Kontrollregister der kantonalen Behörden über die Ausstellung der Pässe sind leider in den meisten Kantonen nur unvollständig bis gar nicht erhalten geblieben bzw. in die Staatsarchive abgeliefert worden. Siehe z.B. hier für BS und BL. Es ist auch zu beachten, dass viele Pässe von den diplomatischen Vertretungen und nicht vom Heimatkanton ausgestellt wurden, wie in diesem Beispiel.

Online zugängliche Daten fallen mir im Moment nur bei einigen Kontrollen des Kantons Zürich ein (siehe hier mit interessanten Erläuterungen).

Die Pässe selbst sind erst seit 1915 eidgenössisch normiert und enthalten in der Regel erst ab diesem Jahr ein Foto.

Peter

[JaneAusten7]

Es ist eine Seite aus: Historisch-Biographisches Lexikon der Schweiz

Thank you, Walter!!!

[JaneAusten7]

Die Kontrollregister der kantonalen Behörden über die Ausstellung der Pässe sind leider in den meisten Kantonen nur unvollständig bis gar nicht erhalten geblieben bzw. in die Staatsarchive abgeliefert worden.

Die Pässe selbst sind erst seit 1915 eidgenössisch normiert und enthalten in der Regel erst ab diesem Jahr ein Foto.

Ah ok, thank you, Peter.

[JaneAusten7]

I'm working on my 5Gr grandfather, Heinrich Stohler's (1761) entry 56 https://memory.bl.ch/familienforschung/ ... r%20Ziefen
and there are a few words I don't understand, and I hope you can help me with them.

Heinrich Stohler. P Jaim.?. A Wustin?.
b? 25 August 1761. married 16 January 1789. Died 29 November 1794

Anna Rudin. 6? Arb?. Remarried? in 1797 to Ian? Munzar? 2 Absf?

n? 27 June 1790. Johannes?. 1c A Schufew? (?).108.

Should I take away from this entry 56 that Heinrich was born/married/died in Arboldswil? Or am I missing a clue?

Thank you.

[Walter]

Ich lese:

Heinrich Stohler P(arantes?) Hein(rich) A Rudin (seine Eltern?)
b(aptizatus?) 25 Aug(ust) 61 cop(uliert) 16 Jan(uar) 89 (gestorben?) 29 Nov(ember) 94
Anna Rudin. v(on) Arb(oldswil) wieder cop 1797 Dan(iel) Meyer / v(on) Obdf (=Oberdorf)
n(atus?) 27 Jun(i) 1790 / Hans. / c(op) A Schäfer (Nummer?) 108

Der Ort seiner Geburt, Verheiratung und seines Todes wurde nicht notiert, könnte aber schon Arboldswil sein.
Erwähnt ist nur, dass seine Frau Anna Rudin den Heimatort(!) Arboldswil hatte. Sie hat offenbar 1797 in zweiter Ehe einen Daniel Meyer von Oberdorf geheiratet.

[Walter]

Heinrich Stohler P(arantes?) Hein(rich) A Rudin (seine Eltern?)

Die Eltern des Heinrich Stohler (*1761) waren Heinrich St. & Anna Rudin, sie haben am 22. Juli 1748 (in Ziefen?) geheiratet (KG Bubendorf, Buch 2, Seite 344, PDF 345 / siehe Anhang)

Seine Taufe findet man hier

Heirat 22.7.1748.jpg

[JaneAusten7]

Die Eltern des Heinrich Stohler (*1761) waren Heinrich St. & Anna Rudin, sie haben am 22. Juli 1748 (in Ziefen?) geheiratet (KG Bubendorf, Buch 2, Seite 344, PDF 345 / siehe Anhang)

Wow! Thank you, Walter!!! This helps me so much! I just noticed the other day that FamilySearch.org has the father as another line (which corresponds with one of the 3 Walter Stohler's book lines) instead of they have a different person as the father, whereas I had Heinrich (1725) and now this document proves it. Vielen Dank!!

[Walter]

Wow! Thank you, Walter!!! This helps me so much! I just noticed the other day that FamilySearch.org has the father as another line (which corresponds with one of the 3 Walter Stohler's book lines) instead of they have a different person as the father, whereas I had Heinrich (1725) and now this document proves it. Vielen Dank!!

Welcher Heinrich Stohler wurde denn im Buch von Walter Stohler als Ehemann von Anna Rudin (Heirat 22.6.1748) angenommen, der 1725 geborene?

[JaneAusten7]

Welcher Heinrich Stohler wurde denn im Buch von Walter Stohler als Ehemann von Anna Rudin (Heirat 22.6.1748) angenommen, der 1725 geborene?

They are not included in Walter Stohler's book. It has several Stohler family lines in there, but they seem to be only followed of the few people who helped Walter with the book. That meant that anyone who had a line that was different than the participants was not explored. The book presents Pantaleon Stoler, born 1510 Bubendorf and his wife Elsi Schwizer as the progenitor of the Stohlers. Then only chose Werli Stoler, 14 Aug 1551 Bubendorf and wife Anna Vogt; Batt (Beat) Stoler, 26 Feb 1539 Bubendorf for the next generation and so on until it met up with a Stohler line that was part of the participants. I misunderstood Walter Stohler's book to mean that he had identified and recorded all the lines of progenitor Stohler.

I think they had hoped to form a Stohler Family Association which would expand the lines and they would make continuous new additions of the original book. The Stohler group apparently is no longer. The book is still for sale, but all of the contact information is no longer valid; which was disappointing. However, it would have been a great boon to my genealogy search if I was related along the lines they did expand.

[JaneAusten7]

Die Eltern des Heinrich Stohler (*1761) waren Heinrich St. & Anna Rudin, sie haben am 22. Juli 1748 (in Ziefen?) geheiratet (KG Bubendorf, Buch 2, Seite 344, PDF 345 / siehe Anhang)

https://memory.bl.ch/familienforschung/ ... 0Bubendorf

What are the words after their parentheses names? It looks like one word might be Arbordswil?